MoE Long-Context Training

What Changes At Long Context

• context parallelism
• selective recompute
• lower precision
• CPU offload for optimizer state
• a dispatcher and PP layout that do not waste the smaller remaining DP budget

Rounded Scaling Patterns

DSV3 on H100

• selective recompute works better than full recompute once you move past the shortest contexts
• throughput stays in a fairly narrow band from mid-length through very long contexts if CP is increased appropriately
• the trade shifts from "memory fit" to "GPU-count feasibility" as CP grows

Qwen3-Next on GB200

• 8K and 32K remain practical with moderate CP
• 64K is possible, but the throughput drop is noticeable and memory becomes much tighter
• pipeline layout and grouped-GEMM improvements matter almost as much as CP

Qwen3 235B on GB200

CP Sizing Rules Of Thumb

1. Start from a 4K shard target: a good first guess is

   CP ~= seq_len / 4096

   , then round to a practical power-of-two layout.
2. Keep DP alive if possible: long-context scaling becomes brittle once CP, EP, TP, and PP together squeeze DP down to the floor.
3. Prefer selective recompute: recompute modules such as

   up_proj

   ,

   norm

   ,

   moe

   ,

   moe_act

   , or

   mlp

   before reaching for full recompute.
4. Avoid SDPA-heavy recompute at very long context: recomputing attention internals can add a lot of work for less memory benefit than recomputing smaller MoE and MLP-side modules.
5. Use TP as another lever on NVL72 systems: GB200 and GB300 runs can sometimes trade some CP for TP while still staying efficient.
6. Assume GBS will need to shrink: as CP rises and DP falls, you may need to reduce global batch size or accept higher GA.

Representative Config Families

DSV3 at 128K on H100

TP=1  CP=32  EP=32  PP=8  VPP=4
Precision: FP8-class
Dispatcher: DeepEP
Recompute: up_proj, norm, moe, mlp
Extra memory help: optimizer CPU offload

DSV3 at 256K on H100

TP=1  CP=64  EP=32  PP=8  EDP=2  VPP=4
Precision: FP8-class
Dispatcher: DeepEP
Recompute: up_proj, norm, moe, mlp
Extra memory help: optimizer CPU offload

Qwen3 235B at 128K on GB200

TP=4  CP=4  EP=32  PP=4  VPP=12
Precision: BF16 or MXFP8
Dispatcher: HybridEP
Recompute: moe_act, norm
CUDA Graph: attn + moe_router + moe_preprocess

Recompute And CUDA Graph Guidance

• start with selective recompute
• add CUDA graphs only after the shapes and routing path are stable
• keep sequence length and MBS fixed when using CUDA graphs
• if the run depends on highly dynamic batches, prefer eager execution

• @docs/training/activation-recomputation.md
• @skills/perf-cuda-graphs/SKILL.md

Pitfalls

1. CP does not replace EP or PP: it adds another dimension; it does not make the others disappear.
2. A good 4K baseline can still be a bad long-context baseline: routing mode, recompute choice, and offload strategy often need to change.
3. GPU-count feasibility becomes the real constraint: very long context can look fine in a single recipe, then become impossible once EP and PP are added honestly across the full model.
4. CUDA graphs need static shapes: variable-length batches and opportunistic padding strategies can silently break the path.
5. Container and kernel support matters more at 128K+: long-context paths tend to rely on newer kernels and bug fixes than short-context bring-up does.